Legislature(2009 - 2010)BARNES 124

02/03/2009 03:00 PM House ENERGY


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*+ HCR 2 IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HCR 3 IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HCR 4 IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HCR 5 IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
HCR 2-IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE                                                                                                   
HCR 3-IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE                                                                                                   
HCR 4-IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE                                                                                                   
HCR 5-IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:03:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MILLETT  announced that  the order  of business  would be                                                              
HOUSE  CONCURRENT RESOLUTION  NO.  2, Requesting  the governor  to                                                              
provide energy  security for all Alaskans by  pursuing development                                                              
of a natural gas bullet pipeline  from the North Slope to the Cook                                                              
Inlet  region;  and  requesting   the  governor  to  identify  and                                                              
negotiate with  one or more  persons capable of  producing natural                                                              
gas from  the Gubik area,  and other areas  on the North  Slope if                                                              
necessary, in sufficient  quantities to support  a bullet pipeline                                                              
project;  HOUSE  CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION   NO.  3,  Requesting  the                                                              
governor to  provide energy  security for  all Alaskans  by taking                                                              
and  encouraging  all action  that  would  support a  natural  gas                                                              
bullet pipeline  from the  North Slope to  the Cook Inlet  region,                                                              
including  initiating any  necessary  negotiations  to reopen  the                                                              
Agrium  plant  in  Kenai;  HOUSE   CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION  NO.  4,                                                              
Requesting the  governor to provide  energy security  for Alaskans                                                              
by taking and  encouraging all action to support  development of a                                                              
natural  gas bullet  pipeline from  the  North Slope  to the  Cook                                                              
Inlet region  including advocating  an increase  in the  amount of                                                              
natural gas  that may be exported  under authority granted  by the                                                              
United  States   Department  of   Energy;  and  HOUSE   CONCURRENT                                                              
RESOLUTION  NO.  5,  Requesting the  governor  to  provide  energy                                                              
security for all  Alaskans by working on significant  elements and                                                              
components  to support the  timely construction  of a natural  gas                                                              
bullet pipeline from the North Slope  to the Cook Inlet region and                                                              
to take necessary action to assist  and facilitate the process for                                                              
a private entity to make a final  investment decision to commit to                                                              
the pipeline before November 1, 2010.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:03:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR EDGMON moved to hear as  a block HCR 2, HCR 3, HCR 4, and                                                              
HCR  5, and  objected for  discussion purposes.   [Therefore,  the                                                              
committee heard the resolutions individually.]                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HCR  2-IN-STATE GAS PIPELINE                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MILLETT announced that the  first order of business would                                                              
be  HCR 2,  HOUSE  CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION  NO. 2,  Requesting  the                                                              
governor to provide  energy security for all Alaskans  by pursuing                                                              
development of a natural gas bullet  pipeline from the North Slope                                                              
to the Cook Inlet region; and requesting  the governor to identify                                                              
and  negotiate  with one  or  more  persons capable  of  producing                                                              
natural gas  from the  Gubik area,  and other  areas on  the North                                                              
Slope if necessary,  in sufficient quantities to  support a bullet                                                              
pipeline project.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:04:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAMRAS, speaking  as the Prime  Sponsor of  HCR 2,                                                              
HCR 3, HCR 4, and HCR 5, requested  that, although the resolutions                                                              
were moved as a block, the discussion  of each resolution be taken                                                              
in sequence.  He said that he preferred  to "move them as a block,                                                              
but to  vote them out  individually ...  ."  Representative  Ramas                                                              
then  introduced HCR  2 and  said that  the resolution  recognizes                                                              
that it is  in the best interest  of all Alaskans to  move forward                                                              
on an in-state gas line.  He explained  that the construction of a                                                              
large diameter  pipeline either by  the Alaska Gasline  Inducement                                                              
Act (AGIA), or  by Denali-The Alaska Gas Pipeline,  does not offer                                                              
a timely  solution to  the availability  of in-state natural  gas.                                                              
For example,  diesel based  economies simply  can not continue  to                                                              
endure sub-arctic temperatures  at a cost of $4.50  per gallon for                                                              
home heating fuel.   The first consideration in pursuit  of an in-                                                              
state gas line is  the certainty of supply:  a  primary supply and                                                              
a  contingent supply.    Representative Ramras  noted  that HCR  2                                                              
recognizes the value of producing  natural gas from the Gubik area                                                              
and also the  value of a contingent  supply from other  areas.  To                                                              
illustrate  the  importance of  a  contingent  supply of  gas,  he                                                              
explained that a 20-inch pipeline  is capable of [transporting] up                                                              
to 500  million cubic  feet (mcf)  per day,  or approximately  180                                                              
billion cubic  feet (bcf)  per year  - amortized  over 20  years -                                                              
therefore,  3.6  trillion  cubic  feet (tcf)  of  gas  is  needed.                                                              
However, only  600 bcf gas is proven  from the Gubik area  and the                                                              
actual discovery may be less.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  summarized that HCR 2 directs  the governor                                                              
and her administration  to help source a contingent  supply of gas                                                              
so that there  will be a sufficient  supply to amortize  a 20-inch                                                              
pipeline.  He concluded:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ... [HCR 2] recommends that  [sources of natural gas are                                                                   
     found in] other areas on the  North Slope, if necessary,                                                                   
     in  sufficient  quantities  to  support  a  bullet  line                                                                   
     project.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:10:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MILLETT opened public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:10:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK   ABEGG,    Volunteer,   Fairbanks   Economic    Development                                                              
Corporation (FEDC),  informed the committee  that he is  a retired                                                              
citizen   active   with   the   Fairbanks   Economic   Development                                                              
Corporation (FEDC).   He said that a group of  Fairbanks residents                                                              
has been  studying energy  and better health  issues, such  as the                                                              
fine  particulate  matter  (PM2.5)  problem, for  the  past  three                                                              
years.  In fact, the group of volunteers  studied the state energy                                                              
profile, including the use of fuel  oil and its pricing structure,                                                              
pipelines,  [gas]  supply issues,  the  gas  market, and  the  gas                                                              
field.  The group will soon publish  a report through FEDC titled,                                                              
"In-state  Gas Pipeline  Options."   The  publication will  report                                                              
findings on the  Alaska Natural Gas Development  Authority (ANGDA)                                                              
gas  pipeline,  the spur  line,  the  ENSTAR Natural  Gas  Company                                                              
bullet  line, and the  supply of  liquefied natural  gas (LNG)  by                                                              
Fairbanks Natural Gas, LLC.  Each  proposal holds "good things and                                                              
...  bad things,  but  when you  look at  the  Anchorage area  and                                                              
Fairbanks the one project ... that  brings the most promise is the                                                              
bullet line  ... [that] would  connect the major  Railbelt areas,"                                                              
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:12:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ABEGG further explained that  the community of Fairbanks burns                                                              
about 50 million gallons of fuel  oil per year for residential and                                                              
commercial heating.   If 70 percent of that market  could be moved                                                              
to gas  it would  improve the  PM2.5 [air  quality] and  also save                                                              
$120  million based  on  a  fuel oil  cost  of $2.50  per  gallon.                                                              
Adding electric utilities  and refineries that also  burn fuel oil                                                              
would double  the savings  to $250  million per  year.   He opined                                                              
that if Anchorage  gas prices increase by $3 due  to the necessity                                                              
to pay for imported  LNG, the cost could be an  extra $250 million                                                              
for residential,  commercial, and utility consumers.   This amount                                                              
added to  the savings  for the  Fairbanks area  equals the  annual                                                              
cost of the  bullet line: A $4  billion bullet line at  12 percent                                                              
equals a rate of return of $500 million per year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:14:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ABEGG warned  that the "do-nothing scenario" is  going to cost                                                              
Alaska one  way or another; therefore,  anything the state  can do                                                              
to expedite the bullet line in the  next five years is critical to                                                              
Alaska's economy, air quality, jobs,  and the ability for Alaskans                                                              
to obtain access to a resource.   Speaking as a public citizen, he                                                              
expressed his strong support for the bullet line.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:15:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH  GRAY,  Assistant  Manager,  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough,                                                              
informed the committee  that she is the Assistant  Manager for the                                                              
Matanuska-Susitna  Borough and  stated the  borough's support  for                                                              
the construction  of  a natural gas  [pipe]line  to help meet  the                                                              
immediate  gas needs  of Southcentral  and Interior  Alaska.   She                                                              
observed that  Cook Inlet  gas supplies  are dwindling,  while the                                                              
demand  for natural  gas is  growing.   Projections  show that  in                                                              
2010, local  natural gas  supplies in  Southcentral will  begin to                                                              
fall short; in fact,  52 percent of the state will  be affected by                                                              
the  shortage of  gas  supplies.   She  opined  that the  proposed                                                              
bullet  natural gas  pipeline can  be  completed in  the next  few                                                              
years to  meet gas needs  and to  create new economic  activities.                                                              
The Matanuska-Susitna Borough supports  the creation of a gas line                                                              
to  provide  energy  security  for the  state  and  to  facilitate                                                              
natural   resource   extraction,   value-added   processing,   the                                                              
development of a  cement production plant at Globe  Creek, and the                                                              
possible  reactivation of  the Agrium,  Inc. (Agrium),  fertilizer                                                              
plant in Kenai.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:17:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GRAY  called the  committee's attention  to the proposed  rail                                                              
line extension  from the Alaska  Railroad Corporation  mainline to                                                              
Port MacKenzie  and said that it  will help lower the cost  of the                                                              
construction  of the  bullet line  by an  estimated $100  million.                                                              
She  referred  to  a  2008  study  by  the  University  of  Alaska                                                              
Anchorage  (UAA)  Institute  of   Economic  Research  (ISER)  that                                                              
indicated the  additional resource  extraction facilitated  by the                                                              
rail extension  will generate from  500 to 1,000 jobs.   Moreover,                                                              
according  to  Northern  Economics,  the  rail  extension  project                                                              
itself  will  generate 3,200  to  3,400  construction jobs.    She                                                              
concluded  that the  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough strongly  supports                                                              
the  immediate construction  of the  bullet natural  gas line  and                                                              
rail extension  in order  to diversify the  economy and  limit the                                                              
state's dependence  on federal  government and petroleum  industry                                                              
jobs.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:18:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK   MAYO,   Planning   Director,   Matanuska-Susitna   Borough,                                                              
expressed his agreement with the previous speaker.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:19:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS  THAYER, Director,  Corporate  & External  Affairs,  ENSTAR                                                              
Natural  Gas  Company  (ENSTAR),  said ENSTAR  supports  all  four                                                              
resolutions,  as they go  hand-in-hand to  provide the  foundation                                                              
for the [bullet gas line] project.   He emphasized the need for an                                                              
industrial  anchor such  as LNG or  Agrium, that  can establish  a                                                              
reasonable  tariff   for  the  residential  consumers   along  the                                                              
Railbelt.    He   pointed  out  that,  fifteen   months  ago,  the                                                              
legislature recognized  the need  to reduce the  tax rate  for the                                                              
in-state use of  gas; as a result there is renewed  development in                                                              
the  Gubik area,  in  the Nenana  Basin and  at  the Yukon  Flats.                                                              
Moreover, ENSTAR has committed millions  of dollars toward work on                                                              
the  bullet line  and  has proved  gas in  Gubik.   If  necessary,                                                              
additional  sources  of gas  will  come from  the  North Slope  to                                                              
provide the  energy needed for  Southcentral and the  Interior for                                                              
the  next  50  years.   Mr.  Thayer  stressed  that  there  is  an                                                              
accessible in-state market consisting  of Fairbanks, Golden Valley                                                              
Electric,  and   Flint  Hills  Resources,  along   with  potential                                                              
customers such as  Eielson Air Force Base and  Ft. Wainwright Army                                                              
Base.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:21:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  continued to identify  possible customers  for natural                                                              
gas from  the bullet  line such as  Chugach Electric  Association,                                                              
Matanuska   Electric   Association   (MEA),  Agrium,   and   other                                                              
industrial  consumers.   He concluded  by  assuring the  committee                                                              
that ENSTAR is committed  to the bullet gas line  and supports HCR
2, HCR 3, HCR 4, and HCR 5.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:22:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MILLETT closed public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Although  not formally  stated, if was  understood that  Co-Chair                                                              
Edgmon removed his objection.]                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:22:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  moved to report  HCR 2 out  of committee                                                              
with  individual  recommendations  and no  attached  fiscal  note.                                                              
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:23:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:23 p.m. to 3:25 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Sponsor Stmt HCR 2 020309.pdf HENE 2/3/2009 3:00:00 PM
Sponsor Stmt HCR 3 020309.pdf HENE 2/3/2009 3:00:00 PM
Sponsor Stmt HCR 4 020309.pdf HENE 2/3/2009 3:00:00 PM
Sponsor Stmt HCR 5 020309.pdf HENE 2/3/2009 3:00:00 PM